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Saturday, 4 July 2015

Pissing on a STAR !

Good Gracious me, I'm so excited about my latest find, I can hardly type. Here's how it goes, I'm going through ALL those files that were put online including Savile's expenses etc and I find that there are hardly any documents relating to the Cluck Click program. There are 3 lots of files called Vol 1,2 and three containing HUNDREDS of pages about Savile's pay, contract etc but here's the few that mention Clunk Click. In Vol 2


There's another but it's not relevant to this post and that's it. Now, it could be that the BBC did NOT for good reasons, release any potentially sensitive information about this particular show or the period in question. It could be that the person/s who made the FOI request from which these documents have been copied, has not bothered to upload these, so let's establish a few FACTS shall we ?
These were uploaded to google drive on 20/6/2013 by someone called Mark S
I have no idea who this Mark is but I do know that it was the Daily Express who made the request to the corporation and made it's existence known in February 2013. There have been numerous FOI's made about Savile to the BBC, but it's the DE that tells us this
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/379101/Jimmy-Savile-made-mysterious-payments-to-children-at-the-height-of-his-sex-offending

Now, some of us have been aware of these 'files' for some time and have used them in our blogs several times. But, knowing what we now know (or don't) especially in relation to the show on which Freddie Starr appeared, I thought I'd go through ALL of these files again to see WHEN it was recorded. No luck on that front I'm afraid, but what it led me to, is.  A shocking fact that Meirion Jones actually planned to use Karin Ward's allegations about Freddie Starr in his Newsnight film ! 
You see, when Karin Ward made her claims about trips to a BBC show, Jones' crew obviously thought she was mistaken, according to an email he sent to MWT 
 
 The subject 'she was right' in this email exchange between Jones and his researcher Hannah L, implies ward had named the show.
This IMDB info no longer exists by the way ! 
Jones was on the BBC show trail from the very beginning of his scheme to destroy Jimmy Savile. His October 31st pitch to his boss included this exceprt from Ward's web-memoir
 She didn't want a law-suit the irony of those words now, especially as one reads on
On 17th November Hannah requests as many copies of the show from the BBC library 


But, look closely guys and gals. Someone has beat Hannah to it someone called 'Adam McClean from Objective productions'. Naturally, I looked him and his company up. Now, WHY would a production assistant who works for ITV be taking stuff out of the BBC library ? (correction below)  Better still, why was he allowed to do this ? Especially when a BBC employee (Hannah) is concerned that her requests might seem suspicious !
But, best of all guys and gals, Hannah finds R1 (Ward) and R4 on one of the tapes
'Sandwiched next to .. ' ?

Here's the script Jones prepared for his film dated 29th November 2011


We know Ward is in the habit of taking a year or two of her and her tv studio pals' ages, but if one looks hard enough for long enough, she forgets herself and comes clean ish !

 
She's talking about the girl allegedly having sex with Gary Glitter in this room full of people. Someone she later claims to have been 14 or younger !

Look again at the email Jones sent MWT on 19th November 2011. What do you make of it ? What hides behind those blacked out words ? Hannah only told him the day before, that one show features Gary Glitter so he must have looked it up on the IMDB site too ! 

Here's a link to App12 from whence this email came. It's page 43
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/howwework/reports/pdf/pollard/appendix_12.pdf 

The plot thickens guys and gals. How many episodes of Clunk Click did Hannah manage to acquire, and biggest question of all ; what happened to these films, and who has them now ?

To be continued ... 

Update 
I believe I got the wrong Adam McClean earlier so I have removed the twitter profile of the ITV journalist of the same name. Strangely enough, the actual person referred to by HL is a producer whose credits include the show It was alright in the 70's' for Channel 4. Apologies to the other Mr McClean

 



6 comments:

  1. Oh what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive.
    - Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808)

    The law is an ass.
    -- Charles Dickens (Oliver Twist, 1838)

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  2. Just noticed that Karin says the girl allegedly having sex with GG was,
    "same age as me, maybe 15"

    Every news report about that said the girl was 13.
    British journalism is just Liars Incorporated.

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  3. It seems to me that what Karin did was to transfer her disgust with her stepfather onto these celebrities - she believes, or believed, her story about Clunk Click and so on, where two things are patently obvious - she was a victim of child abuse at the hands of an authority figure before she went to Duncroft, where she was being treated for those issues, and that she hated men as they all represented her stepfather, even smelled like him, i.e. sweat and alcohol. A good psychologist would have had that sorted in a second. Very basic stuff. However, whatever help she received at Duncroft apparently wasn't lastingly successful, as she appears to be very damaged, and with good reason, but these celebs weren't the culprits. From her testimony, I sense she is trying to lay the blame squarely where it belongs, on Meirion Jones, just another man exploiting her for his own gain. The only truth so far is that she was on the Clunk Click set, and if she went there via Duncroft, then she was supervised at all times; as Miss Jones said, there was no 'hanging about,' just out of there straight away, and that'd be absolutely in line with my experience there. And how did Karin know that the girl with Gary Glitter was 13? Did Karin ask for some proof of birthdate? Let alone girls that age were not at Duncroft. 14, folks, and you didn't go on jaunts in your first year - they were assessing you for that first year, and also you were in school, studying for O levels. Girls had to earn the privilege of going on jaunts. Plus, unlike my day, there seems to have been a fair amount of Largactyl being prescribed at the school, and the girls have certainly said they were using LSD. Miss Jones told me that by that time she was having to accept girls that she would not normally have agreed to in the first 12 or so years. 1959-1970.
    Good research as usual!

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  4. @Sally
    Perhaps the treatment at Duncroft in Karin's case was actually quite effective. All of this seems only to have arisen in the last four years or so. Karin was never involved in the 2008 attempted Savile Coup remember - Fiona was.

    Karin's book is actually dedicated to her Therapist, aho so far as I know, has ever entered the media fray.

    Dedication
    This book is dedicated, firstly, to Dr. Carolyn McQueen. This extraordinarily gifted and empathic psychologist picked me up when I was entirely broken -- and painstakingly put me back together in order that I could function in some semblance of normality. In fact, if not for her, this book would never have been written at all.

    Perhaps modern pyschotherapy techniques and investigative journalism just are just incompatible.

    "What does seem new is that they seem to have been, like so much else in 21st century UK, celebrity-led. One is I would call the Restructured Memory. The NHS report seems to contain a good sprinkling of these. The entire farrago was led by Esther Rantzen of course. Her TV career had largely been contemporary with that of Jimmy Savile. Utterly convinced by the story of a victim, she became a born again believer, along with the non-investigatory journalists."
    http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/they-think-its-all-over.html

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  5. Hello Sally - you've hit the nail on the head. I've said this to the Police several times about transferring their obvious and very sad historical abuse onto a celeb. In fact, I asked, "you have the experience to detect a true victim of abuse, but HOW do you know it was SJS?" - their answer............ "We don't"

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  6. Moor, sadly Karin stumbled out of Duncroft and into a disorganized life involving giving birth to a number of children by different men, none of whom seemed to wish to marry her (or vice versa), doesn't seem to have been able to hold down a job or do anything other than go wherever the unsteady winds of her life took her. Btw, she was around during the 2008 situation, but she has not, to my knowledge, made a claim against the Savile estate, but don't quote me, as I really don't know. Yes, interesting about Dr. McQueen. I believe that Karin was what they call a "cutter," hence the long sleeves she wears in the photo with Jimmy and staff members/girls outside the education building. McQueen actually specializes in self-harming. Margaret Jones said that she wishes Meirion had come to her before speaking with some of these women, stressing that they were quite seriously emotionally disturbed. Duncroft was a psychiatric triage unit, but once the girls left, it was sink or swim as far as their future psychological state was concerned. Fortunately, the success rate was pretty high, but you can't cure everyone. Karin is still a lost soul, sadly, and was taken advantage of most of her life - this pattern continues with her exploiting by Meirion Jones, and this sorry mess that Justice Nicholl is attempting to resolve.

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